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DragM3 Member Posts: 5 |
posted 10-04-2001 05:28 PM
  
Does anybody drive their M3s on the street?  I'm sick of hearing people on the Supra and musclecar forums bragging about killing BMWs!  I know there is some mean German muscle out there. Let's here some kills on all these rice-burners and domestic junks. Happy Hunting  IP: Logged |
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Frank Administrator Posts: 207 |
posted 10-06-2001 11:09 AM
the fact that they are talking about BMW's on their forums I think says alot.  The M3 is the class standard by which all other enthusiast cars are measured. A standard that includes more than acceleration. IP: Logged |
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Derek Member Posts: 43 |
posted 10-23-2001 10:53 PM
ok i got something to say. I am 17 and m friends and I all drag race. They all role up in there stupid V-tech rice rockets and their mustangs. They thing they are tuff shit so they wanted to race me. My friend has a 2001 civic Si with basically everything from headers to exhaust to turbos you name it. We find an empty street and we line up next to each other. when we get the go signal i rape him off the line. As the race goes on i keep increasing the distance between us. basically i raped him. And now all of his friends want an M3. IP: Logged |
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BJJ_Brawler unregistered |
posted 10-26-2001 02:56 PM
Wow you beat a Honda Civic! What's next on your kill list, a PT Cruiser, Geo Metro? As far as M3s being the standard that all other sports cars are measured against, hahahahah. Ever heard of the Z06? Try racing a 3rd gen RX-7 or Supra TT and you'll get "raped". IP: Logged |
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nic@300zTT unregistered |
posted 10-27-2001 11:53 AM
let me tell this guy that if you wanna spend 50k on a car go ahead and do so but when you have a luxury car and it still has 300hp thats not bad, and if you want a real car that can all upgrades get a 300zxTT hold up to 800horses IP: Logged |
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Roadrunner Member Posts: 157 |
posted 10-27-2001 12:25 PM
BBJ_Brawler, i have smoked many rx-7s( some of my friends had them until they could afford a bimmer). to many promblems w/ rx's. supra tt are fast but the steering sucks! as for 300zx tt, great cars but too outdated. and of course the z06, again super fast but...... i think most bmw owners want more then just speed. or i would have bought the subaru wrx and dropped $5k in upgrades. the speed differences in these cars are so marginal, that it would really depend on the drivers.and of course if they are packing nos.imo IP: Logged |
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NYC///M3 Junior Member Posts: 2 |
posted 10-28-2001 02:37 PM
There are a bunch of guys with AA Turbo kits that post on bimmerforums.com about ripping other cars. There is a guy running 11's in the Quarter names tampaturbom3 that posts there, his stories are always entertaining. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jinu117 unregistered |
posted 11-13-2001 05:50 PM
quote: Turboed Civic Si is extremely good at drag. (less weight and better HP...) I never thought BMW as drag car anyway. It always has been civil yet fun loving versatile car. Regardless there is no reason to under-estimate other cars on street. IP: Logged |
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wbmco8 Member Posts: 24 |
posted 11-13-2001 10:23 PM
I am futunate enough to be waiting for a 2002 M3. The sales price is up there when you finish loading it up with goodies BUT you are paying for some impressive R&D that creates a complete package. One of BMW's credo's is to create a suspension faster than the motor. The new M3 have DSC, TC, 6 spd trans and other goodies that cant be found on other and they are standard. This creates a car that will keep with that POTENTIAL 800hp and SPANK them through the turns. IP: Logged |
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Beau Member Posts: 78 |
posted 11-14-2001 02:57 AM
Eh... street dragging gets old after awhile, at least it did for me. I had a turboed Miata putting down 250 hp to wheels for the past few years - nearly 300 at the crank in a car that weighed some 2300 lbs, good for high 12s. Great car for the "what the hell was that!" factor. Never lost a race on the street, pulled away from many a 911, C5, RX-7, NSX, M3 with ease. I must qualify I had enough respect for more serious metal (Lambos, Ferraris, Vipers) to stay away. Had some near accidents that made me think twice about my actions, and after awhile found myself laying back and rarely wielding more than a fraction of the 15 psi of boost at my disposal. I made the decision to get rid of the car and get something more practical, something which I couldn't get myself in trouble with. Almost settled on a new 330 ci. But as configured it was some $43k out the door, and at that price I was like "man, it's only $10k more for an M3". And I didn't feel like spending even $43k on a car. But the E36 M3 always had a special place in my heart. I knew that despite it not being the fastest thing out there, automotive journalists always admonished praise as if it were sprinkled with magic dust. And aesthetically, while a beautiful car as well, I don't think the e46 has anything over it. Looked at a bunch locally and ended up buying one I probably shouldn't. Sure it's more practical. But not by much (17 mpg, damn!) And it's slower. But not my much (Dinan supercharger). Without a doubt, it's a great car, and in its greatness I feel far more compelled to take it to the track rather than mess around on the street. I do appreciate its ability to take corners and pass effortlessly, and on a nice open road I'll give it a go, but for the most part lay back and enjoy it for what it is - a beautiful, impeccably designed, very capable street machine with an air of luxury surrounding it which makes every drive a pleasure no matter how seemingly mundane the circumstances. But I've only had it a week so far, so just take these as my first impressions IP: Logged |
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dmc4cc Junior Member Posts: 4 |
posted 11-18-2001 09:52 PM
Hmmm lets see what makes a fast car in a straight line.... Well its really easy, its called the giant engine or turbo in little car formula. You want a drag car, go out to the junk yard, pick up any body, weld a Big BLock V8 and retorfit 2 diesel turbo's on it. You'll get well over 600 hp for around 2k dollars. But here's the point a Drag car is easy to make a "Fast" car is something else. I can kill any Supra, and 300ZX, any RX-7 or riceburner out there. Its called a race, involving turns, bad handling and braking means slow car. Hence, all these rice burners are just that, rockets without control. Power is NOTHING without control and this is where the M3 is truky a benchmark, remember, its named "Best Handling car in America". You want a Drag car, follow the formula, you want a real car, drive your M3. Want Proof? Come out to Autocross, two experienced drivers come out driving two different cars. One guy drives a 650 hp Supra (I saw it on the Dyno, otherwise I'd say its bull), the other guy drives an E30 M3 with Exhaust. Guess who wins? the M3, by about 1.5 seconds (which is a lot in Autocross). Guess who goes home and burns another 500 on racing slicks and rims and still loses. You get Riceburners and Truly Fast Cars, and for the price, there's only one truly fast car, The M3. IP: Logged |
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Beau Member Posts: 78 |
posted 11-19-2001 01:34 PM
Wait a sec, no need to be blind-sided by biases. Easily dispatching Supras and RX-7s has alot more to do with driver skill than anything else, those are superb track cars. I would say the M3's handling out-of-the box is more forgiving for the average driver though. The autocross comment proves nothing... a high-horsepower turbocharged car is a terrible autocrosser, it needs a track where it can stretch its legs. That has nothing to do with handling and everything to do with power delivery caused by a big laggy turbo. - Beau IP: Logged |
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93StealthTT unregistered |
posted 01-27-2002 04:04 PM
Well now, about all this stuff here. I have 93 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo (bonestock). And last night I raced a 99 M3 and killed him. Driver wasn't that great but still 4-5 cars is hard to come back from. When it comes to high hp cars not very good at autocross. I'm certain I could do pretty good out there with my AWD/AWS 300HP/307lbs. Don't get me wrong M3's are bad ass cars. But when it comes to racing Supra TT's, Rx7's, 300zx TT's, 3000gt VR4's, Stealth TT's. It's a good run between all of them on the strip. When it comes to actual Indy type style racing I think it would be a good run between the 3kgt/Stealth's and the M3's. All the rest would suck. By the way all you M3 owners...Nice car! Just passing through and thought I would put my 2 cents in. IP: Logged |
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cobraboy Junior Member Posts: 3 |
posted 01-27-2002 04:32 PM
come on now guys, if you're looking for the best all around, easy to build drag car go for the supra. Its internals are awesome stock and all you need for 450 hp is a mbc, downpipe and exhaust. It is also unbeatable on the highway. BMW's are great though for road racing and muscle cars are good for straight line 1/4 mile racing. IP: Logged |
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Lootcheeano Member Posts: 20 |
posted 01-27-2002 05:50 PM
Gotta say that I love my E36 M3! Sure there are some cars that are faster, but there is not one that has the power, handling & styling that the M3 blends together. I'm not really one to drag but when some little import trys to rev, he's gotta be thinking... "aww shit, did I just do that?!" Even when I pull up to a nice little Firehawk, which is a monster of a car, the driver looks at me with respect which says a whole lot! Most people just look at my car & their jaws drop. Only the few who have an M3 can really relate to what I'm talking about, in every aspect, we are in a class of our own. We know it and they know it! IP: Logged |
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cobraboy Junior Member Posts: 3 |
posted 01-27-2002 10:31 PM
Yeah, I gotta say those are some cool cars. How much are basic bolt ons for those m3's? Like throttle body, mass air flow meters, what are the stock gears? I heard vortech superchargers are 9 grand for those babies, just wondering if the little stuff are expensive too. Exhaust on m3s sound bad ass, I know a guy that lives in my neighborhood with a 2000 m5 and it has a bad a** sounding cat back system for it. IP: Logged |
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Beau Member Posts: 78 |
posted 01-28-2002 02:54 AM
My autocross comment wasn't in reference to a stock powered turbocharged vehicle. If you go for big power you have to go for a big turbo, and the lag becomes a problem on a tight corse. I had a 300 hp turbocharged Miata and I certainly could work my way around a course easier stock... and that thing had just moderate lag (15 psi at 3400 rpm).
There's not too much that's cheap for these cars. You can actually find Vortech kits for like $4-5k - the prices people quote usually include install. But these are very basic 6 psi non-intercooled setups, realistically giving maybe a 70-80 hp increase. - Beau IP: Logged |
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ARC M Power Member Posts: 71 |
posted 02-01-2002 03:21 PM
M3 IS NOT FOR DRAG!!! IT'S BUILT FOR HIGH SPEED PREFORMANCE (INVOLVES TURNS) IP: Logged |
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travisty unregistered |
posted 02-12-2002 08:45 PM
um whoever said that the stealth TT and 3kgtVR4's were good in an autocross is a bit mistaken. the FD3S RX7 is japan's best autocrosser by far. it puts out just as much power and it weighs about a thousand pounds less. the nissan skyline is the only AWD TT V6 that puts up descent numbers on the track but its still second to the 3rd generation rx7 i love and respect the 3kgt's and stealth tt's i used to havea stealth TT and my roomate best friend has a VR4 thats badass. its still cant hang with my rx7 in the corners though. IP: Logged |
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travisty unregistered |
posted 02-12-2002 08:46 PM
i love the M3's but it is more of a luxurious fun car than a serious racer. i respect that they are fast but when you get down to it.... its just not meant to be drag raced. IP: Logged |
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DragM3 Member Posts: 5 |
posted 02-13-2002 01:57 PM
You guys seem to be missing the point. Obviously, the M3 wasn't built for drag racing! Neither were Camaros or Mustangs, like some of you seem to believe. Some crazy person back in the 60's may just have thought that the outstanding perofrmance of the pony cars could be used for something other than road courses (I know this is scary for some of you, but there are people out there who explore new possibilities). This thread was meant to share drag stories and straightline performance, if useing an M3 for these practices is too much for you to handle or is otherwise offensive, please leave this discussion. Thank You. IP: Logged |
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3000gt VR4 unregistered |
posted 02-24-2002 04:18 PM
I am currently an owner of a 1998 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4. I race my car against stupid Eclipses, Civics, Accords, 'Stangs, Camaros, Supra TTs, 300ZX TTs, and the 240SXs and wasted them like they were lil Geos. I have raced BMW Z3s, M5, M3, and even a Z6, I have problems beating the BMWs. I don't own one, but I just would like to say that they are nice looking and sweet in performance. I have spent over 7ks on my engine, I have raved RX-7 also, and whipped them. I just seem to have a problem with Beamers. I have won against many of them..but their acceleration was sort of....breathtaking. Just wanted to say that i am a big spectator fan of any performance beamer. IP: Logged |
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95Hellrotm3 unregistered |
posted 02-26-2002 07:54 PM
If you are beating TTZs then obviously they arnt really turbos or your engine is hopped up and the TT is stock because those cars are over 300 pds in difference. $1500 gets you almost 100 more horses. I wish getting that much power on an M3 was that cheap. And I tell you what dont mistake a 3ZTT as having bad handling. Those cars are badass and my only other choice if i were not to have gotten this m3 IP: Logged |
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ARC M Power Member Posts: 71 |
posted 02-27-2002 02:19 AM
3000GT VR4, what kinda supra and rx-7's did you beat? first gen with turbo leak??? I have to say, the Supra TT is a monster on high end with turbo-upgrade! RX-7 was built in the same ideal way M3 was built, except for it has a rotary engine and turbocharged. It was built for handling and performance! You just never seen a real souped up 7 or supra yet! Many people called the Jap cars rice rockets, but can't these people give a little respect? If you have seen a real Lancer Evolution V or VI, Skyline R33 or R34, you will be amazed of their nice looking body as well as their performance, I can tell you, a stock Lancer EVO IV, V, VI, or VII, can beat the supercharged M3! 1/4 mile for a stock EVO is 12s flat and high 12 on dirt!!! and at the end dont forget the Lancer is the world champion of Rally Race, so with the handling it got, it surely can beat most of the M3 out there! (same with the Subaru WRX 22B STi) IP: Logged |
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CBass unregistered |
posted 03-23-2002 05:30 PM
Bimmers are more of a daily driver than a track car(with the exception of tracker M3s) If you want to race, be it on the street or on the track, get a Porsche. '79 924, 3L Variocam, K27/8 Turbo, Motec ECU, 6 Speed/Torsen LSD, M030 suspension, Big Red Brakes, 255/35/18 F, 285/35/18 R, BFG G-force TA KDW. High 10s, 1.05 G, 69 Mph Slalom. $8000. Come get some IP: Logged |
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300zxtt2+2 unregistered |
posted 04-05-2002 04:07 AM
i love 300zx they not all that quik but when u go and rag on thier handling......i jus dont know wat to say to you. check the motor trend slalom and lateral acceleration they r 73 and .91 id say that says it all. 300zx were at their production time one of THE BEST handling sports car. they were made for it. IP: Logged |
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300TTOPti unregistered |
posted 04-14-2002 12:23 AM
peole i hate to break it to all you 300Zx guys but i have a 300tt 95 with 70K and some mods along with a new cluch and i have put it right newxt to a M3 my friend has and its close off the line he has me but when those turbos spool up i pass him around high 2nd gear and i have dirven both cars. The 300 is more sporty on a track MAYBE but let me tell you, you dive that M3 and there is no comparison in the way it feels all around i am now lookin into a M3 98 for sale in town and i love my 300 but iys not quite a M3 especially inside IP: Logged |
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slickav Member Posts: 22 |
posted 04-30-2002 02:52 AM
Well let me tell you that I burned a Second Gen. RX-7(Modified) the other day like nothing!! AND I HAVE A 328i!!!!!!AUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!97'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alright well it caught me by surprise.  IP: Logged |
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slickav Member Posts: 22 |
posted 04-30-2002 02:52 AM
Oh and I had 4 other people in the car with me when this happened. IP: Logged |
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Nameless Junior Member Posts: 2 |
posted 05-02-2002 12:10 PM
quote: Let me be the first to say that you are one stupid motherfucker. There are no Civic Si's in 2001. There are no headers, it is a "header". And how exactly do you use a header with a turbo? You dont. When you buy a turbo for a Civic, it usually comes with a setup that replaces the header. Maybe it is a custom setup or something, otherwise, you are stupid. "V-Tech" is spelled "Vtec" aswell. I am not in doubt that your M3 beat the Si, I can believe that. But your facts are off, so that leads me to believe you are stupid and you made that up. IP: Logged |
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ARC M Power Member Posts: 71 |
posted 05-02-2002 02:16 PM
I really hate to say things like these, but what's up with people like you that always step on Japanese cars??? First I dont believe a 328i would spank a second gen fully souped up RX7, second, why dont you race a better car than a civic si?? Race someone within ur same level! if you think you're superior just because you're driving a BMW, you're a jerk! Give some respect to other owners! Personally I wont buy an American car just due to the fact that i dont like the manufacturers, but I admit cars like vettes are fast. I'm straightly into imports, from Jap to euro. If you think you can beat any of the jap super cars, come down to chicago and race my friend's Skyline GTR Vspec (R34) It's a Japanese versioin he just imported it last week! EXPERIENCE SOME REAL JAPANESE SHITS!!! IP: Logged |
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slickav Member Posts: 22 |
posted 05-06-2002 08:14 PM
Alright man./\/\/\First of all.........Who said anything about a FULLY Fixed up RX-7? Who said I'm stepping on Jap cars?? I love Jap Cars!I love them all (well most of them). Also, I dont care If the guy wasnt on my level. And if he wasnt, than why thw hell was he tail gating me in the first place? I dont care how fast someones car is. I'll race anyone for the fun of it! Aslong as nobody else's life is in danger. IP: Logged |
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slickav Member Posts: 22 |
posted 05-06-2002 08:17 PM
And I dont thnk im better than anyone beacuase of my CAR! If I ever do feel im a better person than anyone, It is because they are Idiots who say things with out thinking. LIKE YOU! IP: Logged |
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Derek Member Posts: 43 |
posted 05-07-2002 03:13 AM
Hey are you sure the rx-7 was racing? Cause a 328i auto with 4 people in the car is very damn slow. I bet my mini van could pull on you with 4 people in your car. I honestly don't think the rx-7 was racing. IP: Logged |
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