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Roadrunner
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posted 10-26-2001 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roadrunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi all. this past weekend i installed the shark injector and cai from j.conforti in my mcoupe. the cai has def. improved the sound. in the higher rpm, the sound alone makes it worth it. as for the injector, i can't really tell yet. my car seems to run a little smoother and a slightly better throttle response. i was expecting 20hp increase as turnermotorsports told me. but,i'm not sure. i have'nt dyno it so i can't say for sure but it doesn't feel like it.
over all, for now, it's a bit pricey. but maybe i need to push it harder. i'll keep you guys updated.

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Richard
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posted 10-29-2001 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard the same thing about the Shark Injector. I just installed my URI pulleys and they make a HUGE difference. You can really feel the torque and the car pulls hard! The pulleys were around $400.

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posted 10-29-2001 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roadrunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
richard, how much was the install? what does the install involve? what kinds of gain did you get? thanks in adv.

gene

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posted 10-29-2001 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The install was $150 plus $40 for new belts. I bought the pulleys from a GP. I think it was $350. I haven't dynoed my car, but you can really feel the increase. They installed all four pulleys and changed both of the belts. It took him a couple of hours.

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Roadrunner
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posted 10-29-2001 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roadrunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great looking car! how long have you had the new pulley? are there any drawbacks to changing that out? i might have to look into doing the same. thanks

gene

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Richard
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posted 10-30-2001 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I just installed the pulleys over the weekend. There are no drawbacks...just don't install them in conjunction with the LWT Flywheel.

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posted 10-30-2001 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roadrunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
richard, sorry for so many questions but just couple of more.....1) did you have the dealer install it or an independent shop? 2) are there anything else i should consider upgrading while in there, other than the belts. thanks again.

gene

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posted 11-05-2001 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No drawbacks? Funny how the exceptionally disasterous implications of running a crank UOR pulley (or any other aluminum pulley sans dampener) have been well understood in Honda, Mazda, and DSM circles for years, usually citing this article written by Dinan as reference.
http://www.dinanbmw.com/html/danger_of_power_pulleys.htm

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Thanks! I just installed the pulleys over the weekend. There are no drawbacks...just don't install them in conjunction with the LWT Flywheel.

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posted 11-06-2001 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had an independant shop install the pulleys. Maybe install the X Brace. http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/faq_pulleys.html

In short, what the URI pullies change is the weight and the diameter of the pullies to help the engine rev up quicker. This does not harm the engine in any manner.

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posted 11-07-2001 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roadrunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the reply back. i'm looking into it now.

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posted 11-08-2001 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Richard,

Please don't come off like a faulty AI program. Click on the link I provided and learn something. The FAQs on the UOR website are apparently written by people with little more than a highschool education and show a pitiful disregard for physics.

I personally have seen first hand accounts of about a dozen engines blown due to the use of an undamped overdrive crank pulley over the past four years, all from UOR. None of these are from BMWs, Hondas and Miatas primarily, but I'm new to BMWs and the enthusiast web presence is extraordinarily small by comparison. The fact remains this article on the merits of the crank nose damper is written by one of the top BMW tuners is reason enough to take heed.

Just because one can program a CNC machine does not make one an automotive engineer! - Beau

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posted 11-08-2001 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
beau, what's a good mod other than a good driving school.

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posted 11-08-2001 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By no means did I mean to imply "don't modify your car", this is a very specific f**k-up that removes a component from your vehicle that was engineered there for a solid reason. I should clarify this only applies to the accessory pulley at the crank, the actual accessory pulleys have no dampers and these are fine to replace.

I am a huge fan of forced induction. For an unopened e36 3.0/3.2 motor I can't see anything better from a reliability/performance standpoint than a centrifugal supercharger. - Beau

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posted 11-09-2001 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
beau, a supercharger?..??????? i hear so many horror stories from people who have installed sc. did you sc yours? how is the reliability?


also richard, why will changing the pulley effect a lighter flywheel? thanks all.

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posted 11-10-2001 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just picked up '95 with a dealer installed Dinan blower about a week ago. But I have much experience with forced induction on my former vehicle, a Miata which started with a positive displacement twin-screw supercharger and then a turbo. The car with the turbo produced about 300 hp (normally 130) - with this I used a programmable engine computer I tuned on the dyno for best performance.

A low boost centrifugal setup is fairly innocuous and should hardly affect engine life with similar driving habits. A centrifugal is basically a crank driven turbo which means it doesn't start to really produce much power until well up in the rev band. Its progressive nature is easier on the engine and drivetrain components, and the increasing boost past the torque peak means cylinder pressures don't really skyrocket like they would with a positive displacement blower or turbo. That jives with the high compression ratio of our engines. Also it helps counter the intertial loads caused by high rpms. Inertial loads due to high rpm running is by far the greatest stress the engine will see - typically you have to triple or quadruple the compressive loads to equal the inertial loads on a naturally aspirated engine running at 7k rpm.

With some work done for engine management (ECU reprogram/injectors or adjustable fuel pressure regulator) the engine should run like a champ as long as there's no detonation - running premium fuel is a must and perhaps backing off the throttle on very hot days if you ever hear detonation. For high boost setups I question the viability of a simple ECU reprogram - high horsepower requires precise engine management, and each engine is different due to tolerances so an aftermarket programmable ECU is a very wise idea. And then the owner should educate himself on EFI tuning to properly tune the beast.

If an engine dies prematurely due to a low boost forced induction solution its simply due to installer error or something else. I've already read accounts of these engines handling mondo horsepower quite nicely, as I understand it this supercharger _realistically_ gives maybe 70-80 horsepower, that barely tickles it considering its naturally aspirated specific output.

As far as the flywheel vs. power pulleys, there is no relation I can see. The flywheel adds some shock-loading protection from the crank to the tranny. If too light and torque transition is great the tranny may die quickly. Power pulleys certainly don't free up the kinda power under which such a problem would exist. The only case I'd be truly worried is with a large nitrous shot triggered low in the rev band equating to a tremendous amount of torque delivered virtually _all_ at once, and the little extra protection a heavier flywheel could afford would be welcome. - Beau

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posted 11-12-2001 04:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow. thanks for the great info.

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posted 11-23-2001 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMW fanatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Roadrunner:
hi all. this past weekend i installed the shark injector and cai from j.conforti in my mcoupe. the cai has def. improved the sound. in the higher rpm, the sound alone makes it worth it. as for the injector, i can't really tell yet. my car seems to run a little smoother and a slightly better throttle response. i was expecting 20hp increase as turnermotorsports told me. but,i'm not sure. i have'nt dyno it so i can't say for sure but it doesn't feel like it.
over all, for now, it's a bit pricey. but maybe i need to push it harder. i'll keep you guys updated.

sup

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